Continuing the FB re-read. Up to somewhere in volume 19 right now. As before, plenty of spoilers behind the cut, including what I remember of later volumes as well.
- After volume 15 there was a long gap in new volumes from Tokyopop. Finally fed up with waiting, plus feeling a need to brush up on my French, I started ordering volumes from France where the pace was quicker. Thus, I only know volumes 16-23 in their French versions.
- Akito/Kureno never fails to squick me out. Though Shigure/Akito certainly has a level of squickiness, if not quite to the same amount. Particularly the Super-Important Flashback where the young teen (or nearly teen) Shigure declares his love to the young child Akito.
- I really love how utterly, utterly clear the manga is on no matter how terrible Kyo's background is, and how horrible his possible future seems to be, that still doesn't mean his hatred of Yuki is anywhere near justified - and how very, very wrong he is when he tells Yuki he couldn't possible understand, "You had a mother and father! Everyone liked you and told you what a great guy you were!". As we readers well know by then, Yuki's background was just as horrible and traumatising as Kyo, and in fact Kyo did have several things Yuki lacked, with the most important a loving parental substitute in Kazuma. (His future isn't that bright at that point either (in volume 15), should Akito make good on his statement that Yuki will return to the Sohma mansion and live there "on the inside" after graduating college.)
Moreover, it is also abundantly clear how Kyo's fixation on hating Yuki has actively hurt Yuki an awful lot ever since he was a terribly lonely, psychologically abused little boy. The way I see it, the story goes out of its way - but never in a preachy way - to underline that it's really easy to resent someone for seemingly having it easy, but we don't know their pain.
At the same time, though, the manga also makes it clear that intellectually Kyo has probably known most of this already, but emotionally he just isn't able to truly accept it and to change for the longest time. Because if he didn't have his hatred of Yuki and his belief in the privileged Prince Yuki that he's completely justified in resenting and hating, he wouldn't have any place to stand on at all*. He hates himself too much for that.
- I still feel a little disappointed with the way Rin's storyline played out, all her brave determined attempts to find out how to break the curse just ending up in Akito's punishment by imprisoning her. And it wasn't even Tohru who found her and released her (as, somehow, I secretly hoped), but Kureno, who I'm just not all that fond of in the end.
But at the same time, Rin being kept a prisoner in the cat's house means that one could say she ended up carrying a part of what would have been Kyo's suffering. Which is interesting since everyone points out that Tohru takes everyone's problems onto her own shoulders, but here it's Rin who is put into Kyo's place, in a way - willingly, too, as Akito made her choose between accepting that fate and letting Hatsuharu be blinded. Due to her medical problems, Rin fares a lot worse during this period - a couple of weeks, perhaps - than I think Kyo would have in the same time, at least physically. However, for Kyo it would have been his whole life. Yet it never actually happened, to him. The only one within the story to suffer part of the cat's punishment is Rin, the horse. For... whatever reason. (fails at insight)
- In volume 18, when Kyo and Tohru talk about Rin maybe settling in Kazuma's home, Kyo comments that he thinks it's good for Kazuma to get a few other people there, and lets slip, "then he won't be so alone" as he walks past Tohru. Re-reading this, I think Takaya did this chilling moment brilliantly, letting the readers feel it as Tohru does, taken aback unawares. Of course, Kyo doesn't know that Akito told Tohru Kyo would be put in confinement; but Tohru sees this remark as Kyo being resigned to his fate by then. Certainly it does seem like he's given up on beating Yuki at this point. And maybe realising he's in love with Tohru has made him paradoxically more amenable to captivity, as he still thinks of himself as a monster who's liable to hurt and destroy those who come near him. Especially with his guilt over Kyoko.
- In volume 19, Kyo thinks back to the very first time he saw Tohru, through the window of her and her mother's house when she was a little girl. He thinks that "she was just like she is today... so sad!" ("si triste!" in French.) Re-reading this, it reminds me of Kureno's emphatic words on Akito in volume 17, "Akito is such a sad girl" ("Akito est une fille si triste!") Interesting.
- Jumping forward: so in the end, are promises to stay together forever a good or bad thing, in the story? The curse breaks, and Tohru ends up choosing Kyo over her mother. But then again marrying Kyo is just another version of that promise, and the same can be said for all the other official couples in the show, particularly Hatsuharu/Rin and Shigure/Akito. Maybe such a promise is only a good thing as long as both partners are alive? When the other one dies, you shouldn't feel bound by a promise any more, unless doing so will help you be stronger. But don't let the old bond stand in the way of connecting to the living people around you, who might otherwise be able to share joy with you. Perhaps the underlying message is something like that...?
- Let's see if I have anything new to add when I've finished all the volumes.
Huh. Writing this out, it occurs to me only now that this reminds me just a bit of Ryoga's sentiments vis-à-vis Ranma in Ranma 1/2. Ryoga is, like Kyo, a favourite of mine - I wonder if I have a hitherto unrealised thing for vulnerable guys with grudges?
- After volume 15 there was a long gap in new volumes from Tokyopop. Finally fed up with waiting, plus feeling a need to brush up on my French, I started ordering volumes from France where the pace was quicker. Thus, I only know volumes 16-23 in their French versions.
- Akito/Kureno never fails to squick me out. Though Shigure/Akito certainly has a level of squickiness, if not quite to the same amount. Particularly the Super-Important Flashback where the young teen (or nearly teen) Shigure declares his love to the young child Akito.
- I really love how utterly, utterly clear the manga is on no matter how terrible Kyo's background is, and how horrible his possible future seems to be, that still doesn't mean his hatred of Yuki is anywhere near justified - and how very, very wrong he is when he tells Yuki he couldn't possible understand, "You had a mother and father! Everyone liked you and told you what a great guy you were!". As we readers well know by then, Yuki's background was just as horrible and traumatising as Kyo, and in fact Kyo did have several things Yuki lacked, with the most important a loving parental substitute in Kazuma. (His future isn't that bright at that point either (in volume 15), should Akito make good on his statement that Yuki will return to the Sohma mansion and live there "on the inside" after graduating college.)
Moreover, it is also abundantly clear how Kyo's fixation on hating Yuki has actively hurt Yuki an awful lot ever since he was a terribly lonely, psychologically abused little boy. The way I see it, the story goes out of its way - but never in a preachy way - to underline that it's really easy to resent someone for seemingly having it easy, but we don't know their pain.
At the same time, though, the manga also makes it clear that intellectually Kyo has probably known most of this already, but emotionally he just isn't able to truly accept it and to change for the longest time. Because if he didn't have his hatred of Yuki and his belief in the privileged Prince Yuki that he's completely justified in resenting and hating, he wouldn't have any place to stand on at all*. He hates himself too much for that.
- I still feel a little disappointed with the way Rin's storyline played out, all her brave determined attempts to find out how to break the curse just ending up in Akito's punishment by imprisoning her. And it wasn't even Tohru who found her and released her (as, somehow, I secretly hoped), but Kureno, who I'm just not all that fond of in the end.
But at the same time, Rin being kept a prisoner in the cat's house means that one could say she ended up carrying a part of what would have been Kyo's suffering. Which is interesting since everyone points out that Tohru takes everyone's problems onto her own shoulders, but here it's Rin who is put into Kyo's place, in a way - willingly, too, as Akito made her choose between accepting that fate and letting Hatsuharu be blinded. Due to her medical problems, Rin fares a lot worse during this period - a couple of weeks, perhaps - than I think Kyo would have in the same time, at least physically. However, for Kyo it would have been his whole life. Yet it never actually happened, to him. The only one within the story to suffer part of the cat's punishment is Rin, the horse. For... whatever reason. (fails at insight)
- In volume 18, when Kyo and Tohru talk about Rin maybe settling in Kazuma's home, Kyo comments that he thinks it's good for Kazuma to get a few other people there, and lets slip, "then he won't be so alone" as he walks past Tohru. Re-reading this, I think Takaya did this chilling moment brilliantly, letting the readers feel it as Tohru does, taken aback unawares. Of course, Kyo doesn't know that Akito told Tohru Kyo would be put in confinement; but Tohru sees this remark as Kyo being resigned to his fate by then. Certainly it does seem like he's given up on beating Yuki at this point. And maybe realising he's in love with Tohru has made him paradoxically more amenable to captivity, as he still thinks of himself as a monster who's liable to hurt and destroy those who come near him. Especially with his guilt over Kyoko.
- In volume 19, Kyo thinks back to the very first time he saw Tohru, through the window of her and her mother's house when she was a little girl. He thinks that "she was just like she is today... so sad!" ("si triste!" in French.) Re-reading this, it reminds me of Kureno's emphatic words on Akito in volume 17, "Akito is such a sad girl" ("Akito est une fille si triste!") Interesting.
- Jumping forward: so in the end, are promises to stay together forever a good or bad thing, in the story? The curse breaks, and Tohru ends up choosing Kyo over her mother. But then again marrying Kyo is just another version of that promise, and the same can be said for all the other official couples in the show, particularly Hatsuharu/Rin and Shigure/Akito. Maybe such a promise is only a good thing as long as both partners are alive? When the other one dies, you shouldn't feel bound by a promise any more, unless doing so will help you be stronger. But don't let the old bond stand in the way of connecting to the living people around you, who might otherwise be able to share joy with you. Perhaps the underlying message is something like that...?
- Let's see if I have anything new to add when I've finished all the volumes.
Huh. Writing this out, it occurs to me only now that this reminds me just a bit of Ryoga's sentiments vis-à-vis Ranma in Ranma 1/2. Ryoga is, like Kyo, a favourite of mine - I wonder if I have a hitherto unrealised thing for vulnerable guys with grudges?

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Och som tur hade jag nog andra serier som distraherade mig i den där långa utgivningspausen, men Fruits Basket känns fortfarande som en gammal kär vän.
Har du möjligen några länkar till andra, lite mer grundliga och genomtänkta metaposter om serien? Jag är säker på att det finns massor som jag missat...
Jag har nog tyvärr inte sett några metaposter på Fruits Basket, det finns säkert massor någonstans, men jag har liksom varit dålig på att följa fandomen för serien och det är ju oftast inom fandom man hittar sådant ^^;;
Jag är inte heller inte direkt bevandrad i FBs fandom (haha, det blir "fanskap" på svenska) - har aldrig riktigt känt ett behov av att läsa fanfics för den, och jag vill definitivt inte bli indrag i några parningskrig. ("Skepparkrig" - aj, vad min vokabulär är osvensk!) Men välgjord meta gillar jag verkligen. Jag letade faktiskt nyss upp en community och postade länkar till de här posterna i hopp om att få intressanta kommentarer. Fast jag väntar mig inte direkt någon störtflod... ;) Och det är mycket möjligt att jag bara säger saker som är sönderdiskuterat vid det här laget.
Yes, I think that's the key idea right there. The flashbacks involving Kyoko during Tohru's childhood are a good example of that.
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Yeah, Kyoko mourning Katsuya and in deep despair because nothing ends but it should, the world should just stop.. and then finally stepping back to that and returning to the terrified little Tohru, resolving to live life fully again... that's absolutely one of the key things in the series. (Though as I re-read this, I can see so many key things!) Tohru also wishes for time to stop moving after her mother's death, so she'll never move far away from her in her heart... a wish which actually is a parallel to both Ren and Akito's attitudes to Akira. There are so many parallels in this series!
Most of the series meta I'm familiar with either happened in discussions in individual journals rather than communities and in a Yahoo group which I believe had closed membership (and which is now basically defunct, so getting access to the old posts could be tricky). I know some interesting conversations happened in comments in my journal back when the series was coming out in Japan, and likewise in a few friends' journals, but some people have locked their journals since then. Furuba isn't a very old fandom, but it's already got some of the problems a lot of fandoms do, where material either disappears or gets locked. :/
OTOH, lots of people (who I know, anyway) seem more than willing to jump back into discussion it given any provocation at all. ^_^ There's so much to dig into!
Maybe such a promise is only a good thing as long as both partners are alive?
Or maybe it's only a good thing if the people who actually make the promise are the ones who have to keep it? The couples/characters who're alive now can choose to be with each other for their lives, but inflicting that choice on someone else (as happened to the Cat in the first place) leads to all sorts of awfulness...
Or maybe it's only a good thing if the people who actually make the promise are the ones who have to keep it?
Good point - the origin of the curse is very clearly shown to be misguided and wrongful from the start and thus devolving into something painful and destructive later. But I think it's also strongly implied that if Tohru had chosen to cling to her mom's memory at all times, remembering both the promise Kyoko made her, "We'll always be together", and how Tohru herself after Kyoko's death promised to always keep her closest in her heart - if she had managed to hold and retreat from the present, she would have made the wrong choice. Of course in that case, Kyoko would have wanted her to choose Kyo, and Kyo deciding to be with Tohru in fact fulfills his old promise to Kyoko... but Tohru doesn't know either of those things. Hmm. I guess it's complicated. ;)
Everything about relationships is complicated! ^_^ And I agree that the story presents the possibility of Tohru clinging to Kyoko's memory as a negative thing, insofar as it meant she was choosing that memory over living her life.
I think it's worth making a distinction between "we'll always be together" (the explicit 12shi promise) and "you'll always be the most important person to me", which I think in some ways is the promise Tohru was actually trying to keep, but either of those would have the possibility (or likelihood) of twisting into something harmful if someone else had to carry them out.
Oh, Tohru. :/ So damaged.